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post #1 of 49 (permalink) Old 04-06-2013, 10:32 PM Thread Starter
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Can Anyone Help? How to Get More Boost?

Well im not very familiar with turbo charged cars so, how would I get more boost out of my 2010 2.0 TC cobalt? with a Tune or Boost controller? if a boost controller how would I install that?
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Well since you are new. Welcome first off. Secondly, if you are unfamiliar with turbo cars and how they operate performance wise do some research. Just adding a boost contoller will raise boost, but it will be VERY unsafe to do it that way. The easiest way for you to increase the boost on your ss is a tune. There are some things you need to know first. 1. A tune (besides the GMS1) will void the warranty. 2 Tunes run between $200-300 dollars for a good one. 3. You will NEED a Wideband gauge. 3. You will need a retune after EVERY performance mod you do.

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I would totally agree with leveecius, if this is your very first forced induction car, You first need to have the engine breathing properly first and the engine to handle the change in boost. Otherwise, youll just lose out and blow your motor really really quick.

I suggest this, strongly, research your engine's specs to understand what its actually doing, never listen to your friends on car advice if their not mechanically inclined. Especially if their car looks like a pile of junk with huge spoilers on it and body kitted out.

You should stick with basic bolt ons, research around here for what works best on the bolt ons (dynos, reliability). I would just do an intake, header, and catback. That will be quite noticeable for what your looking for and decent enough on a turbo'd engine. For turbo upgrades, just do something simple, like an electronic timer or a FMIC (front mount intercooler) to where it wont hurt the engine at all. You will gain a pound or two of boost from the intercooler alone from less restriction.

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I would totally agree with leveecius, if this is your very first forced induction car, You first need to have the engine breathing properly first and the engine to handle the change in boost. Otherwise, youll just lose out and blow your motor really really quick.

I suggest this, strongly, research your engine's specs to understand what its actually doing, never listen to your friends on car advice if their not mechanically inclined. Especially if their car looks like a pile of junk with huge spoilers on it and body kitted out.

You should stick with basic bolt ons, research around here for what works best on the bolt ons (dynos, reliability). I would just do an intake, header, and catback. That will be quite noticeable for what your looking for and decent enough on a turbo'd engine. For turbo upgrades, just do something simple, like an electronic timer or a FMIC (front mount intercooler) to where it wont hurt the engine at all. You will gain a pound or two of boost from the intercooler alone from less restriction.
He doesnt need to breath better, he needs fuel added to compensate higher amount of air. He can't do an exhaust manifold unless he upgrades his turbo. Adding a bigger intercooler will make him lose boost, not gain boost. He won't gain any horsepower even with every bolt on until he gets a tune. Intake, charge pipes, intercooler, downpipe and full 3" catback plus tune will get him a very noticeable increase in power safely

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Also, more restriction = more boost. Boost is not power, air flow is power. For example, my set up gives me 10 pounds of boost, a tuned SS gives 23ish pounds of boost but I make more power

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I would totally agree with leveecius, if this is your very first forced induction car, You first need to have the engine breathing properly first and the engine to handle the change in boost. Otherwise, youll just lose out and blow your motor really really quick.

I suggest this, strongly, research your engine's specs to understand what its actually doing, never listen to your friends on car advice if their not mechanically inclined. Especially if their car looks like a pile of junk with huge spoilers on it and body kitted out.

You should stick with basic bolt ons, research around here for what works best on the bolt ons (dynos, reliability). I would just do an intake, header, and catback. That will be quite noticeable for what your looking for and decent enough on a turbo'd engine. For turbo upgrades, just do something simple, like an electronic timer or a FMIC (front mount intercooler) to where it wont hurt the engine at all. You will gain a pound or two of boost from the intercooler alone from less restriction.
There is something I need to say about this. Good suggestions, but on an Ss/tc bolt ons are impractical because of the learn down feature. Anything you do to the lnf without tuning it will automatically br negated by the ECU to detune itself to keep the same power ratings all the time. Which is why there is no real "factory boost level" because it changes with different cars in different areas. No noticeable gains are to be had by tge bolt ons without a tune, and some bolt ons can actually hurt the engine without a tune.

And lastly, upgrading the FMIC will not increase the boost level. The factory FMIC actually flows as good as the aftermarket ones however it has plastic end tanks so thus heat soaks very quickly. Most tc guys upgrade the FMIC so they dont heat soak as easily.

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Also I believe all 2010 SS/tc come with an rpd, which has an integrated wideband gauge for your downstream o2 which is wideband, not narrowband. BUT its nice to have a dedicated wideband gauge too

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Thank you guys for the very helpful info. So basically I am going to buy piece buy piece then install . then have ZZP do my tune. But do you think that's a good Idea?
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Good idea but if you're looking for a tune don't get a can tune from zzp. Find someone near you with hptuners

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Gotcha ya or do you think it would be a good investment to get a HPtuner and learn by myself?
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