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Turbo or Supercharger?

for a 07 cobalt LS, what would you recommend?

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Depends on what you want as an end result. They both have advantages and disadvantages. Turbo has more power potential overall, but it will be usable in the mid and high rpm ranges. They are a more complex system, so it won't be as "simple" to install. Supercharger has much better lower and mid rpm ranges, but will not do much in the high rpm ranges. It will also have a lower overall power potential from the start, unless appropriate mods and upgrades are done. With the right setups, either of these could be overcome in their limitations, but in basic form, those are what you'll get. Additionally, there are limits with the 2.2L L61 motor in it's stock form.


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Depends on your goals. Turbo is what I always recommend because a properly sized and fitted turbo will always out perform a supercharger.

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What's your goal? Turbochargers can make more power and get you to the redlight faster, but they are more expensive/complex. Superchargers are less expensive and simpler to run, but are limited in certain aspects like boost and efficiency. Basically, it takes power to make power, where as a turbo has no parasitic loss as it's the exhaust that runs it. One downside is that you may experience a delay, or lag, between the time you hammer it and when you feel power.

Many people here would prefer to go the turbo route, and I'm sure they'll tell you why.

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Guys, a supercharger is far more complex than a turbo lol. And again, lag is determined by the size of the turbo. There is virtually no lag on the stock ss/tc turbo, but it also suffers top end because of that. Its all about turbo sizing.

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'95 Ram 2500 Diesel
Mods - 5in TBE, Boost Elbow set to 28psi, Adjusted fuel pump, Open Turbo.

Future Mods- Super Street Clutch (rated @1400ftlbs tq), 67mm turbo, 160lb valve springs, added timing, tubular exhaust manifold, larger injectors, possible 6 spd swap.


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When I say "simple" and "complex", the supercharger is just a blower, cooling lines, and a belt, for the most part. Sure there are lots of "little things" which also have to be added/changed, but the basic setup is simple. The turbo requires a lot more "little things" as it attaches to the exhaust, the piping for cooling, oil lines, plus other "little things" which must be added/changed. The basic setup is more complex because more things must be changed. Once you try to go into big setups for hp, the turbo is simple as the only thing which really needs to be changed is the turbo and tuning. The supercharger is only more complex when trying to compete with the turbo setup.

Not trying to start a debate on this. Just clarifying what I mean when I use these terms.


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The turbo ZZP supplies with their 2.2/2.4 kit is the Bullseye S252. I don't know much about that or how it differs from the stock K04. All I'm saying is that lag is a known side effect of turbo induction systems, whereas a supercharger is instant because it's running off the engine itself.

Generally, the larger the turbo, the longer the lag, the higher the top end, and vice versa for smaller turbos. A twin turbo setup (1 small and 1 big) should fix this problem I would imagine.

Lastly, complex or not, superchargers always seem to be cheaper. Maybe that's a reflection of it's performance capabilities versus a turbo? I don't know. I'm still green when it comes to FI and I'm learning this as I go. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of what I said.

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Not debating at all, just stating from personal experience. It has always been easier to install a turbo than a sc to me and they both require work to make them work. Be mindful when I say NEITHER setup is just a slap on and go system. You will always wield better results with a turbo hands down. This is why more people go turbo than sc. Again, a properly sized turbo application will out perform a sc any day, in any condition.

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Turbo lag is a sacrifice of having big power. There are small ways to counter it slightly but not much.

As far as a TT setup, it depends on the setup (sequential or compound or bi setup).

The s252/6 turbos are much larger than the stock k04.

Youre learning quick tho

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Thanks. I'm still running NA so I don't really need to worry about any of this stuff. I only have to put up with being slow.

So since the OP would likely be buying or piecing together a ZZP kit, would that turbo cause any lag issues?

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Well sure. That turbo is a medium frame turbo. It will lag a bit, but once it wakes up it pulls hard til redline. They are a decent turbo for the 2.2/2.4. I personally would never run one on my cars, but they are good for the price.

Ask bankerbalt about how that turbo works on the 2.2 as that is what he is running.

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Future - KSport Kontrol Pro Coilovers, 10% Tint, FMIC spray
538whp/501wtq @38 psi on meth and 93 oct on stock ish motor


06 EVO IX MR/SE - Sold
Mods - *Updated 10/6/13* AEM TRUboost EBC, 4in custom TBE, SD dual 93/e85 tune, ETS 4in Race Core FMIC, Dual Aeromotive 400lph Fuel Pumps, T4 Tubular Manifold w/ dual WG's, FP Super99HTZ DBB Turbo, GSC 274 mivec cams, ARP headstuds/rod studs, FIC 2150cc Injectors, Aeromotive FPR, Aeromotive Fuel Rail, catch can, Mini Battery Kit, Slim Coolant Fan, Kiggly Racing high pressure valve Springs/Titanium Retainers, Supertech Stainless Steel Valves, Dual VTA Tial 44mm WG's, 4g64 Stroker Manley Pistons, 155mm 2.4 LR Manley Turbo Plus I Beam Rods with ARP 625 Studs, 100mm forged non-billet Manley Crankshaft, Full H/E PNP with Port Matching, Kiggly Racing Girdle, Dual Tial 50mm BOV's, Excedy Triple Disc Carbon HD Clutch, AEM EMS

'95 Ram 2500 Diesel
Mods - 5in TBE, Boost Elbow set to 28psi, Adjusted fuel pump, Open Turbo.

Future Mods- Super Street Clutch (rated @1400ftlbs tq), 67mm turbo, 160lb valve springs, added timing, tubular exhaust manifold, larger injectors, possible 6 spd swap.


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