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Ok im a little confused...why in the hell does ANYONE buy a hybrid. This is somewhat a rant/rave but more of an informative thread. Hybrids on average cost 3500 to 8000 dollars more than their base model counterparts. Well i was really bored all day (result of a tension headache) so i decided to sit down and come up with some somewhat real world numbers. Im gonna use the Toyota Corolla and Toyota Prius as examples. All of these figures are based on a commute of 50 miles (25 miles to and from destination).

Toyota Corolla
Price: 17350
MPGS: 26/34
Gas Used*: $5.44/$4.16 - Average: $4.8

Toyota Prius
Price: 28070
MPGS: 51/48
Gas Used*: $2.77/$2.94 - Average: $2.85

Alright, well if you figure a monthly payment of 325/month it would take 53months to pay off the Toyota Corolla and 86 months to pay off the Prius; a difference of 33 months. So basically it would take 33 months more of montly payments till the difference is made up. Now for the interesting part; taking into account the current average price of gas in the United States ($2.83), if u save $1.95 a day for the 33 months of extra car payments, you save $1,956. A difference of $8,769. Not much of a difference at all. You're paying $8,769 dollars more for a prius, even with the better gas mileage.

So i guess my question is Y? Y in the hell would you buy a hybrid. Im sorry to break the bad news but ur not helping the environment, if anything you're doing worse for it. The amount of damage caused by the production and transportation of batteries used in todays electric/hybrid cars causes a hugely greater amount of damage to the environment, completely negating the ONE reason you decided to spend a larger amount of extra money on the car in the first place. So what are the other reasons? Less power? Same body style if not uglier? Completely circular rims? A badge on the back, allowing you to pretend to be "Environmental Man!"? Coming closer to your tree humping friends? Or maybe a green leaf pin that you can put on ur jacket to carry around work?...i just dont get it.

Edit2: And lets not even get into maintenance costs. Replacing the batteries in your hybrid could cost $5-$10k dollars. And when you have two different operating systems that also include the operating systems joining the two, you have doubly the repair/maintenance as a standard car.

And i know many of ya'll will understand like me that having a car paid for is a million times better than paying for a car for almost 3 more years...

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*Based on total miles divided by MPG.

Edit: This is a continuation of the thread about the new Chevrolet Volt. Someone on there blamed manufacturers for all this foolishness, and this thread is meant to show that it is the idiocy of the American public, not of the manufacturers, that any of these cars are being produced. If it wasnt for ignorant people in the US, manufacturers would stick to making cars the right way.
 

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Rerun that with my mpg and see what happens. You can leave out the fact that I paid $7,500 for my balt, and use a base price. It really makes no sense then. Hybrids are a way for people to get decent mpg and still drive around like Mario Andretti. That's it. Any car made today can get good mpg, people just drive the wrong way to do so.
 

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Rerun that with my mpg and see what happens. You can leave out the fact that I paid $7,500 for my balt, and use a base price. It really makes no sense then. Hybrids are a way for people to get decent mpg and still drive around like Mario Andretti. That's it. Any car made today can get good mpg, people just drive the wrong way to do so.
Actually Top Gear ran a BMW M3 and a prius on their track as fast as the prius could go and all the BMW had to do was follow it. The Hybrid got ~16MPG and the BMW got ~20. So actually everone should buy a M3, I would be quite alright with that though.
 

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Some of them get tax write off's too....
1. Tax write offs of Honda and Toyota have been nullified as of April 1, 2009. So per my example, no they dont.

2. Many times tax write offs are required to be payed back when you sell your hybird. So you get a tax write off, and then once you sell the car you get ur tax return back and you owe the gov't thousands of dollars more.

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Actually Top Gear ran a BMW M3 and a prius on their track as fast as the prius could go and all the BMW had to do was follow it. The Hybrid got ~16MPG and the BMW got ~20. So actually everone should buy a M3, I would be quite alright with that though.
lol yea, that was an awesome episode. Did you know for the price of a Nissan Leaf or Chevrolet Volt you could buy a 2010 Cadillac CTS, Nissan 370z, BMW 1 or 3 series, Lexus IS 250, or Mercedes Benz C300. lol
 

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lol yea, that was an awesome episode. Did you know for the price of a Nissan Leaf or Chevrolet Volt you could buy a 2010 Cadillac CTS, Nissan 350z, BMW 1 or 3 series, Lexus IS 250, or Mercedes Benz C300. lol
When I heard the Volt was 40K I about thew up, can chevy really charge that much and expect people to buy this car? I would go out and buy a 370Z and the left over money could buy the PREMIUM fuel it requires.

How much it that Ariel Atom again? :laugh:
 

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Our base Balts are close as a Hybrid you can get. I see no point in a Hybrid. Not to mention I got more hp, slighty better mpg and lighter weight than a Corolla so no complaining here.
 

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1. Tax write offs of Honda and Toyota have been nullified as of April 1, 2009. So per my example, no they dont.
I don't know about federal tax credits, but state tax credits for buying Toyota or Honda hybrid vehicles didn't end at that time. My family bought our Highlander Hybrid in late summer of 2009, we got a cash for clunkers rebate from the federal gov't, and a tax credit from the State of Oregon for buying a hybrid (Oregon stopped offering that particular tax credit on Janruary 1, 2010).
 

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I don't know about federal tax credits, but state tax credits for buying Toyota or Honda hybrid vehicles didn't end at that time. My family bought our Highlander Hybrid in late summer of 2009, we got a cash for clunkers rebate from the federal gov't, and a tax credit from the State of Oregon for buying a hybrid (Oregon stopped offering that particular tax credit on Janruary 1, 2010).
yea that makes sense, but its gonna be up to the state. the federal gov't closed those tax credits, but if states choose to continue to pay out of pocket then im sure they could. but i doubt most, if any, states will continue to pay them from here out.

why would we EVER consider paying tax credits for foreign auto makers in the first place? the foreign companies and gov'ts get the money for the production of the car, and then the US gov't pays more money (for no reason WHATSOEVER) to ppl for buying a hybrid. talk about a double loss for the domestic automakers and the federal gov't.

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do you realize how much energy goes into just making the batteries?
i do actually lol. another thing to consider is the amount of pollution given off by the factories producing the batteries, the massive barges used to ship the batteries/vehicles overseas, the semis used to transport them to the assembly plants and the still more pollutants the assembly plants give off. yea...real environmentally friendly...
 
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